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stasia2003 · Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 199 Location: FL

Richard Noot wrote: For_Immediate_Release:
United States of America (Press Release) November 19, 2007 -- NATIONAL CERTIFIED PUBLIC BOOKKEEPER LICENSE

SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH, November 19, 2007: The National Association of Certified Public Bookkeepers’ (NACPB) Certified Public Bookkeeper Licensing Board announced the nation’s first and only national bookkeeper license. The Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) license serves to protect the public interest by helping to ensure that only qualified individuals become licensed.

More than a certification, the CPB license enables bookkeepers to become employed or engaged as full-charge bookkeepers performing bookkeeping for businesses and non-profit organizations. The CPB license provides assurance that CPBs are trusted and competent bookkeepers.

CPBs are distinguished from other bookkeepers by stringent licensing requirements. They have extensive bookkeeping knowledge, skills, and experience. In order to qualify for the CPB license, CPBs must possess bookkeeping education, pass a national certification exam, meet experience requirements, and obtain a minimum of 24 hours of Continuing Professional Education annually.

CPB License Requirements
Bookkeepers qualify for licensure by endorsement or by education, examination, and experience.

CPB Licensure by Endorsement
Licensure as a CPB by endorsement requires the following:

1. Bookkeeping/accounting education or three-years of bookkeeping/accounting experience.
2. Bookkeeper certification such as NACPB’s Bookkeeper Certification (BC), AIPB’s Certified Bookkeeper (CB), or Universal Accounting’s Professional Bookkeeper (PB) certifications.
3. Pass the NACPB Professional Ethics Examination.
4. One year (2,000 hours) of bookkeeping/accounting experience.

CPB Licensure by Education, Examination, and Experience
Licensure as a CPB by education, examination, and experience requires the following:

1. Bookkeeping/accounting education or three-years of bookkeeping/accounting experience.
2. Pass the Uniform CPB Examination.
3. Pass the NACPB Professional Ethics Examination.
4. One year (2,080 hours) of bookkeeping/accounting experience.

NACPB’s Certified Public Bookkeeper Certification program, giving bookkeepers the right to hold themselves out as Certified Public Bookkeepers, has been replaced with the CPB License. Bookkeepers must now obtain their CPB license to hold themselves out as Certified Public Bookkeepers. The Certified Public Bookkeeper Certification program has become the Bookkeeper Certification program for bookkeepers who want to obtain a bookkeeper certification.

Bookkeepers who have completed or will complete the Certified Public Bookkeeper Certification program requirements by September 30, 2008 will automatically receive their CPB license.

Bookkeepers are no longer required to be members of NACPB or a NACPB state association to obtain or maintain their CPB license. However, only licensed CPBs who are members of NACPB will be listed on NACPB’s National and State Professional Bookkeeper directories.

For more information or to obtain a CPB Application for Licensure, go to www.nacpb.org/licenses.cfm

Not exactly sure what you point is here but...

The NACPB still doesn't have anything on the AIPB. If an organization like the CFE doesn't recognize it, then I am inclined to believe that it's not that important or special yet.

cathysbooks · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 8

dp,

I actually agree with your last statement, however I’ve played a major role in the surveys and believe me, NACPB wants to know the truth about its position and performance in the market place and doesn’t want the information the surveys provide to be tainted. I see them use their surveys just as a business manager uses financial statements to gage the company’s financial position and performance.

I've spoken to David Bybee, CPA and President of NACPB on several occasions, due to my committee assignments, and he has stated on a number of occasions that NACPB's weakness is the length of time they have been an association. I believe AIPB was started in 1978 and UAC has been around for probably about that long, give or take. On the other hand I'm amazed of what NACPB has been able to accomplish in the 4 or 5 years they have been an association. They currently have 3,500 members, not bad for a 4 year association.

The main thing that has attracted me to NACPB is the professionalism. I worked for a CPA firm and enjoyed the professional atmosphere. Mr. Bybee often emphasizes the word "profession" in the public bookkeeping profession and that we should develop and earn the respect of the public and our bookkeeping, accounting, and tax professional peers. I really like how he is modeling the CPA profession and discusses how we should position ourselves to work with them and not against them and that there is a great need and opportunity for public bookkeepers who are true professionals in the American economy. His vision is that Certified Public Bookkeepers (CPB) should lead public bookkeeping and Certified Public Accountants (CPA) should lead public accounting (as they of course do). So, that's why I'm such an advocate of NACPB. I love what they are doing and where they are headed.

Cathy Hernandez, CPB
Certified Public Bookkeeper
Member: NACPB

RobJ · Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 182

cathysbooks wrote: So, that's why I'm such an advocate of NACPB. I love what they are doing and where they are headed.
:? Then advocate for NACPB on their forums. I have nothing against you personally, but, as I see it, you drink from the NACPB "fountain" and regardless of your "belief" in the integrity and sincerity of the organization, you are not a disinterested party. I'm sure there were just as many "followers" working for Ken Lay (of Enron), too. :cry: I would say the same to someone who worked for Intuit coming here saying that QuickBooks is the best software in the world. Can you just imagine a Ford representative entering a Toyota dealership saying how Ford is better? Well, I look at this situation as the same thing.

My opinion (I'm not speaking for the majority or anyone else on this forum) - I welcome you here and continue to appreciate any information that you might share; however, please stop short of endorsing the NACPB, informing members here why the NACPB is better than any other organization, or informing members here of the integrity and sincerity of the NACPB. That should be left for marketing material and NACPB's forums.

Rob :)

cathysbooks · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 8

Rob,

As I stated before, I'm not going to get on this Forum and proactively promote NACPB. But, I'm happy to answer any questions that some on this Forum may have regarding NACPB.

Point in fact, Tony asked a question in regards to NACPB's Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) accreditation; others joined in on the discussion; and I only replied to them as I have to you.

Cathy Hernandez, CPB
Certified Public Bookkeeper
Member: NACPB

RobJ · Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 182

cathysbooks wrote: As I stated before, I'm not going to get on this Forum and proactively promote NACPB. But, I'm happy to answer any questions that some on this Forum may have regarding NACPB.

Point in fact, Tony asked a question in regards to NACPB's Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) accreditation; others joined in on the discussion; and I only replied to them as I have to you.
Cathy,

In an attempt to make my point (and again, it's just my opinion), I'm going to review your first response to Tony and tell you where I think you crossed the "line" in an attempt to "proactively promote". You may not have intended to cross the line, but I believe that you did.

cathysbooks wrote: You are correct as far as the three accreditations. However, technically the Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) is a license issued by the National Association of Certified Public Bookkeepers (NACPB).
Awesome! You've provide some very useful and non-partisan information.
cathysbooks wrote: NACPB was founded by a CPA firm and has a mission to protect the public interest by helping to ensure that only qualified individuals provide public bookkeeping services and to help public bookkeepers develop highly profitable bookkeeping practices.
Crossed the line. Are you implying that only the NACPB produces "qualified" individuals and other organizations do not?

cathysbooks wrote: They are developing a true "profession" out of the public bookkeeping profession.
Crossed the line. Are you implying that only the NACPB is developing a "true" profession and other organizations are not?

cathysbooks wrote: Research has shown that the most widely recognized accreditation is the CPB.
Crossed the line. Research conducted by and/or paid for by the NACPB. I don't care how much the founder wants the truth, that's comparable to the fox watching the henhouse.

cathysbooks wrote: Primarily because NACPB has a substantial brand awareness campaign to promote the accreditation.
Crossed the line. Again, you are implying that other organizations do not or that the NACPB (says you) does it better.

cathysbooks wrote: Although the CB is recognized in the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Occupational Outlook Handbook, no one reads the Manual.
Crossed the line. Are you implying that the AICB is some "hack" organization because it's only recognized by some tiny governmental body that publishes some insignificant information? Personally, I don't think you were implying here, I believe you were lambasting another organization in an attempt to belittle it or improve the readers opinion of NACPB. Given your association (volunteer or not) with the NACPB, this is beyond your opinion. It is at best, tacky and at worst, a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

cathysbooks wrote: NACPB not only markets the brand to small business owners and employees, but also to other professionals such as CPAs and EAs.
Crossed the line. The implication, again, is that only the NACPB is doing that or the NACPB is doing it better.

cathysbooks wrote: It appears the CB is primarily for bookkeepers wanting to obtain a bookkeeping job (thus the use of the words "job" and "resume" in their marketing literature).
Crossed the line. Wow! The clear implication is to stay away from the AICB if you want a "real" career as a bookkeeper. Where do you personally draw the line? Is it just before you say, "the AICB is a sham organization and all its members are morons"?

cathysbooks wrote: The CPB is exclusively for bookkeepers or accountants who provide public bookkeeping services or bookkeeping services to the public as an independent contractor.
Crossed the line. The implication is that the other organizations will let anyone in the door. The NACPB can say that it's exclusively for bookkeepers or accountants, but the reality is it all comes down to the quality of the education, the person receiving the education, the ability of the person to harness the education and apply the education, and then the business owner to ensure they hire the right person or firm.

cathysbooks wrote: I'll let UAC speak of their PB accreditation.
If you want to keep advertising here for the NACPB, that would be a good thing even though you've kind of implied that the UAC sucks compared to the NACPB (my opinion).

Let me qualify my position with regard to the NACPB, the AICB and the UAC. I have a B.S. in Accounting and have 17 years of experience in the accounting profession with experience in large firms and small. I currently have my own practice and could care less about an accredidation from NACPB, AICB, UAC, or any other organization. I don't personally need it. That said, I have NO experience with the NACPB, the AICB, or UAC. I am also NOT affiliated with (volunteer or otherwise) these or any other organizations of their type. That said, I do credit any organization that helps someone start their own business and helps them do the right thing for their clients. I've had the privilege of sparring with some very smart people on this forum and with rare exception (one immediately comes to mind) has anyone lambasted any other organization. If a member has had experience with another organization and they are not affiliated (IN ANY MANNER) with that organization, then I take what they say as an opinion. In your case, you ARE affiliated (volunteer or not) and that puts your comments, IN MY OPINION, in the category of ... ADVERTISING.

Further, considering that you have not responded to any member's questions on here, but one and your comments seem solely intent on defending the NACPB, I question what your real motive is in being a member of this forum. If you'd like to stick around a while and put some of that NACPB education to work for some of our members, I think we'd all look upon that quite favorably. Then, and only then, would some of us be willing to give you some latitude with respect to your association with the NACPB and bringing some of their "Kool-Aid" here for our consumption.

With respect,

Rob

stasia2003 · Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 199 Location: FL

RobJ wrote: cathysbooks wrote: As I stated before, I'm not going to get on this Forum and proactively promote NACPB. But, I'm happy to answer any questions that some on this Forum may have regarding NACPB.

Point in fact, Tony asked a question in regards to NACPB's Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) accreditation; others joined in on the discussion; and I only replied to them as I have to you.
Cathy,

In an attempt to make my point (and again, it's just my opinion), I'm going to review your first response to Tony and tell you where I think you crossed the "line" in an attempt to "proactively promote". You may not have intended to cross the line, but I believe that you did.

cathysbooks wrote: You are correct as far as the three accreditations. However, technically the Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) is a license issued by the National Association of Certified Public Bookkeepers (NACPB).
Awesome! You've provide some very useful and non-partisan information.
cathysbooks wrote: NACPB was founded by a CPA firm and has a mission to protect the public interest by helping to ensure that only qualified individuals provide public bookkeeping services and to help public bookkeepers develop highly profitable bookkeeping practices.
Crossed the line. Are you implying that only the NACPB produces "qualified" individuals and other organizations do not?

cathysbooks wrote: They are developing a true "profession" out of the public bookkeeping profession.
Crossed the line. Are you implying that only the NACPB is developing a "true" profession and other organizations are not?

cathysbooks wrote: Research has shown that the most widely recognized accreditation is the CPB.
Crossed the line. Research conducted by and/or paid for by the NACPB. I don't care how much the founder wants the truth, that's comparable to the fox watching the henhouse.

cathysbooks wrote: Primarily because NACPB has a substantial brand awareness campaign to promote the accreditation.
Crossed the line. Again, you are implying that other organizations do not or that the NACPB (says you) does it better.

cathysbooks wrote: Although the CB is recognized in the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Occupational Outlook Handbook, no one reads the Manual.
Crossed the line. Are you implying that the AICB is some "hack" organization because it's only recognized by some tiny governmental body that publishes some insignificant information? Personally, I don't think you were implying here, I believe you were lambasting another organization in an attempt to belittle it or improve the readers opinion of NACPB. Given your association (volunteer or not) with the NACPB, this is beyond your opinion. It is at best, tacky and at worst, a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

cathysbooks wrote: NACPB not only markets the brand to small business owners and employees, but also to other professionals such as CPAs and EAs.
Crossed the line. The implication, again, is that only the NACPB is doing that or the NACPB is doing it better.

cathysbooks wrote: It appears the CB is primarily for bookkeepers wanting to obtain a bookkeeping job (thus the use of the words "job" and "resume" in their marketing literature).
Crossed the line. Wow! The clear implication is to stay away from the AICB if you want a "real" career as a bookkeeper. Where do you personally draw the line? Is it just before you say, "the AICB is a sham organization and all its members are morons"?

cathysbooks wrote: The CPB is exclusively for bookkeepers or accountants who provide public bookkeeping services or bookkeeping services to the public as an independent contractor.
Crossed the line. The implication is that the other organizations will let anyone in the door. The NACPB can say that it's exclusively for bookkeepers or accountants, but the reality is it all comes down to the quality of the education, the person receiving the education, the ability of the person to harness the education and apply the education, and then the business owner to ensure they hire the right person or firm.

cathysbooks wrote: I'll let UAC speak of their PB accreditation.
If you want to keep advertising here for the NACPB, that would be a good thing even though you've kind of implied that the UAC sucks compared to the NACPB (my opinion).

Let me qualify my position with regard to the NACPB, the AICB and the UAC. I have a B.S. in Accounting and have 17 years of experience in the accounting profession with experience in large firms and small. I currently have my own practice and could care less about an accredidation from NACPB, AICB, UAC, or any other organization. I don't personally need it. That said, I have NO experience with the NACPB, the AICB, or UAC. I am also NOT affiliated with (volunteer or otherwise) these or any other organizations of their type. That said, I do credit any organization that helps someone start their own business and helps them do the right thing for their clients. I've had the privilege of sparring with some very smart people on this forum and with rare exception (one immediately comes to mind) has anyone lambasted any other organization. If a member has had experience with another organization and they are not affiliated (IN ANY MANNER) with that organization, then I take what they say as an opinion. In your case, you ARE affiliated (volunteer or not) and that puts your comments, IN MY OPINION, in the category of ... ADVERTISING.

Further, considering that you have not responded to any member's questions on here, but one and your comments seem solely intent on defending the NACPB, I question what your real motive is in being a member of this forum. If you'd like to stick around a while and put some of that NACPB education to work for some of our members, I think we'd all look upon that quite favorably. Then, and only then, would some of us be willing to give you some latitude with respect to your association with the NACPB and bringing some of their "Kool-Aid" here for our consumption.

With respect,

Rob

Very nice! You belong in a courtroom... :lol:

stasia2003 · Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 199 Location: FL

cathysbooks wrote: Rob,

As I stated before, I'm not going to get on this Forum and proactively promote NACPB. But, I'm happy to answer any questions that some on this Forum may have regarding NACPB.

Point in fact, Tony asked a question in regards to NACPB's Certified Public Bookkeeper (CPB) accreditation; others joined in on the discussion; and I only replied to them as I have to you.

Cathy Hernandez, CPB
Certified Public Bookkeeper
Member: NACPB

:lol: You're in denial. :lol:

I won't bother you anymore because it doesn't look like you're going to snap out of it.

Have a great weekend! 8)

RobJ · Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 182

stasia2003 wrote: Very nice! You belong in a courtroom... :lol:
Thanks. :) I didn't relish spending so much time on this issue, but I just couldn't think of any other way to get my point across.

Rob :lol:

cathysbooks · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 8

Rob,

I find your reply quite fascinating. You are absolutely putting words and meaning into my mouth that I never said or implied.

AIPB is an excellent organization providing value to its members. Many and I mean many, NACPB members are also AIPB members. It's not an either or thing to me. In fact I often encourage bookkeepers to join AIPB. So you absolutely don’t know what you are talking about. Your ridiculous implications are pure fiction.

Here are my responses to your actual questions:

Are you implying that only the NACPB produces "qualified" individuals and other organizations do not? No, not at all.

Are you implying that only the NACPB is developing a "true" profession and other organizations are not? No, not at all.

Again, you are implying that other organizations do not or that the NACPB (says you) does it better. No, not at all.

Are you implying that the AICB [AIPB} is some "hack" organization because it's only recognized by some tiny governmental body that publishes some insignificant information? No, not at all.

Cathy Hernandez, CPB
Certified Public Bookkeeper
Member: NACPB

RobJ · Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 182

cathysbooks wrote: Rob,

I find your reply quite fascinating. You are absolutely putting words and meaning into my mouth that I never said or implied.

AIPB is an excellent organization providing value to its members. Many and I mean many, NACPB members are also AIPB members. It's not an either or thing to me. In fact I often encourage bookkeepers to join AIPB. So you absolutely don’t know what you are talking about. Your ridiculous implications are pure fiction.

Here are my responses to your actual questions:

Are you implying that only the NACPB produces "qualified" individuals and other organizations do not? No, not at all.

Are you implying that only the NACPB is developing a "true" profession and other organizations are not? No, not at all.

Again, you are implying that other organizations do not or that the NACPB (says you) does it better. No, not at all.

Are you implying that the AICB [AIPB} is some "hack" organization because it's only recognized by some tiny governmental body that publishes some insignificant information? No, not at all.

Cathy Hernandez, CPB
Certified Public Bookkeeper
Member: NACPB
Cathy,

You certainly haven't encouraged anyone on this forum to join the AICB. EVERYTHING you have said on this forum has been in support of the NACPB. As I said in my post, it's purely my opinion. I stand by what I said as it's my perception of what you wrote. You are entitled to your opinion based on your perception of what I've said. I firmly believe in "actions speak louder than words". If you want to prove me wrong, stick around and help those on this forum. If you don't, your "actions" will leave "ME" with the perception that your ONLY INTENT was/is to ADVERTISE for the NACPB.

I'll let you have the last word.

Respectfully,

Rob

David · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 186

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